When the Recruiter Turns into the Candidate

Renata Bernarde (00:21)
once I noticed you on TikTok, I began following you. And that isn’t one thing I normally do on TikTok as a result of TikTok, see, is my escape. don’t wish to…

see something about work on TikTok, however I discovered your content material actually compelling and I’m like, who is that this lady? So how about we begin with a typical interview query and I ask you to inform me, I imply, inform everybody about your self and you’ll give us like a fast snapshot of your profession to this point.

Leanne Brannigan (00:32)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, yeah, positive. I’m Leanne. I’ve spent the final 13 years working in recruitment. I began out in recruitment company and rapidly after a few years, I moved in-house and supported plenty of international companies. Most lately, I’ve labored in tech scale up in a world recruiter position. Earlier this 12 months in July, I used to be made redundant.

So I’ve been via a job search myself for the primary time in an extended whereas. Alongside that, I run Work Life Korea, a platform I began to assist profession dad and mom, particularly working mothers with sincere insights on job looking and making work truly work for them. That viewers has…

has developed via sharing my journey of being a candidate on this very troublesome and quick altering job market.

Renata Bernarde (01:59)
Yeah. So did work life profession begin began earlier than your position was made redundant?

Leanne Brannigan (02:06)
Sure, so I began posting content material geared toward profession dad and mom, serving to them make work work for them. And what I imply by that.

Renata Bernarde (02:08)
okay.

Leanne Brannigan (02:17)
is IT got here from my perspective as a recruiter, however as a mum or dad, I knew inside information that would assist folks navigate challenges I’d seen each professionally and personally, like navigating versatile working requests or wage negotiations. Suppose girls.

particularly girls don’t at all times really feel snug asking. So for instance, within the UK, a research discovered 69 % of girls felt anxious about negotiating pay and lots of by no means do. So I wished this channel to assist folks see these questions will be requested and that asking is type of a part of like altering that system. However

As I mentioned, once I grew to become a candidate myself, I made a decision to doc the journey to share hope, encouragement, sensible recommendation that I can share as a recruiter. truthfully, IT wasn’t nearly serving to others as a result of IT turned out to be certainly one of my greatest sources of assist for me. IT stopped me feeling alone.

IT gave me some perspective and the group’s positivity actually helped hold my mindset regular.

Renata Bernarde (03:42)
Hmm, I can think about. Okay, so let’s rewind again to that day. I wish to speak concerning the group and what you’ve completed, however I wish to begin by sharing with others that day the place your position was made redundant. Inform me what occurred.

Leanne Brannigan (03:49)
So.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah. So I bought the e-mail very first thing within the morning. IT was 6 a.m. I’ve this behavior of waking up and leaping onto my cell phone instantly, checking via Slack and emails.

⁓ IT was an invitation saying confidential chat, suggest construction modifications. I sat inside the folks crew. I reported into the director of HR. We had sadly been via plenty of redundancies all through the corporate just a few weeks and months prior. So I simply knew instantly what that invite meant. I’d be shedding my job.

Renata Bernarde (04:41)
Okay. ⁓

you knew. Okay.

Leanne Brannigan (04:44)
And

IT made sense to me as a result of financial panorama, inside HR tech, which was the trade I used to be in. The enterprise hadn’t been attaining their targets. They’re VC backed and my workload was trending down. Recruitment had been placed on maintain, roles weren’t being changed. IT’s a nasty signal for an inside recruiter.

Renata Bernarde (04:54)
Mm-hmm.

Leanne Brannigan (05:13)
Having mentioned that, when IT occurred, IT was an enormous shock, even a bodily shock whereby I needed to name my husband to return residence. He was on his strategy to work as a result of I couldn’t suppose straight. I couldn’t operate. I actually couldn’t get my youngsters prepared for nursery. And instantly there was this sort of rush that I used to be shedding my id.

I felt like I’ve labored so arduous for thus a few years to get thus far and now IT’s being taken away from me. So I felt so many feelings, in the end this sort of brutal stress and deep disappointment. In my case,

The session was very fast. The session assembly is supposed to discover alternate options, although in follow I discovered IT extra of a formality and knew the result could be adverse even forward of this assembly. That was circumstantial as a result of I used to be the one one performing my position. So you may’t evaluate IT to a collective session whereby a number of workers are affected.

Renata Bernarde (06:13)
Mm-hmm.

Leanne Brannigan (06:31)
However for me, I used to be simply sat in that assembly processing shock. I’m sat there attempting to absorb Information about timelines, discover, redundancy pay, whereas on the identical time, all I used to be considering was, what does this imply for me? What does this imply for my household? That is terrible.

Renata Bernarde (06:52)
Yeah. What assist was given to you? Did you get entry to outplacement providers? ⁓ Something you can share with us that would assist others take into consideration what to ask as nicely?

Leanne Brannigan (07:05)
Yeah,

there was, there was supply of outplacement.

Personally, I selected to not use an outplacement service. Truthfully, from listening to expertise from others, felt like outplacement was fairly generic and probably not in tune with how the job market has developed. Issues like content material visibility or networking methods weren’t a part of IT from what I may see. So as a substitute, I leaned by myself information as a recruiter

Renata Bernarde (07:11)
Mm-hmm.

Leanne Brannigan (07:41)
and

arrange type of my very own system, group, which at the moment felt much more sensible and present than utilizing a service, however that was supplied to me.

Renata Bernarde (07:52)
Sure, sure. Okay. And what did you do then in that week after, instantly after? imply, the day is a shock, proper? And then you definately kind of ruminate and IT appears to me from the content material you created on TikTok, which is what I adopted and located you. And IT appears to me such as you simply…

Leanne Brannigan (08:00)
⁓ No, no, no.

Renata Bernarde (08:16)
bought straight into job looking out. Is that proper?

Leanne Brannigan (08:20)
⁓ sure. Week one for me was all about creating some construction for myself. As you mentioned, virtually instantly, ⁓ I took motion. I began updating my CV, my LinkedIn, and look, I in all probability tweaked them three or 4 occasions over these first few days. I organized my days like I used to be nonetheless working. You realize, I might rise up.

Renata Bernarde (08:22)
Okay.

Leanne Brannigan (08:48)
rush round getting the youngsters sorted and I might dress. I might deal with this job search as a piece day. And truthfully, I couldn’t have had IT every other manner. I couldn’t take downtime. I felt like I couldn’t. I wasn’t in a position to calm down understanding how a lot I wished and wanted to safe one other position. There was a second, and I believe that is actually vital, the place I did press pause. I wanted…

Renata Bernarde (08:55)
Mm-hmm.

Leanne Brannigan (09:17)
that point to present myself some head house to judge what mattered to me. What did I really need subsequent? What was non-negotiable and what had been these issues that I may compromise on? And that reflection actually set me up. IT gave me that course earlier than I even knew what the market seemed like as a result of

I believe I’ve been a recruiter. I knew my first steps. ⁓ And that was to succeed in out to my trusted community recruiters. Some are my mates personally, however others I’ve labored with intently earlier than. suppose that was highly effective. Certainly one of them instantly referred me for a task, which rapidly was an interview.

simply despatched me adverts or leads that they thought may very well be appropriate. So IT wasn’t nearly alternatives. Typically IT was additionally about that common contact as you’d have in your atypical work day. Even a fast textual content, how are you doing? IT actually meant so much to me.

What I want to say is on the flip facet, after all, there have been loads of lows to placing your self on the market, particularly so rapidly. A kind of first folks I reached out to, a recruiter that I’d beforehand labored with, arrange a name after which didn’t present up for that decision. And I adopted up with them.

And even since I haven’t heard again, and that was actually powerful as a result of IT comes at such a susceptible second. simply can’t, solely when you’ve gone via redundancy do you perceive that the job search feels very completely different.

Renata Bernarde (11:05)
Sure.

Leanne Brannigan (11:13)
I believe IT’s as a result of IT’s not alternative. You’re instantly wanting beneath time strain with out the posh of with the ability to watch for, you realize, the suitable or good position. However for me, IT felt emotional too. My redundancy, IT wasn’t about my efficiency. I knew that.

Renata Bernarde (11:22)
Mm-hmm.

Leanne Brannigan (11:33)
however IT does knock your confidence. So each rejection, irrespective of how mild IT is, somebody not, you realize, being on the decision or answering their cellphone, IT feels heavy. And the truth that hiring has modified so dramatically, you realize, this ghosting tradition and longer processes, was only a fully completely different expertise in comparison with once I’ve been within the job market by myself phrases.

Renata Bernarde (12:01)
Sure.

Oh, wow. Yeah. Now I can solely think about how IT should have felt to be on that decision simply ready. as you in all probability as I understood, she or he by no means reached out to you, which is absolutely terrible. I normally suggest my purchasers and my listeners to take a break earlier than going into job search.

Leanne Brannigan (12:25)
Mm.

Renata Bernarde (12:29)
However I believe what you might have completed is that house that you just created to consider what you actually wished, that in all probability did IT for you by way of getting your self organized. additionally, Lee-Ann, you might have extra assets than most individuals as a result of you might have that community, are in HR and recruitment, and you’ve got connections there. ⁓ If you consider people that… ⁓

Leanne Brannigan (12:46)
Precisely.

Renata Bernarde (12:58)
lose their Jobs for one motive or one other, and so they’re actually insular. In the event that they work in accounting or if they’re engineers, they don’t actually have loads of exterior connections. For those who begin your profession in a single group as a junior accountant or a junior engineer, and then you definately stick with it creating your community in-house, then you definately’re…

Leanne Brannigan (13:09)
Mm-hmm.

Renata Bernarde (13:23)
are laid off for one motive or one other, rapidly you actually don’t have loads of connections. ⁓ yeah, for a number of causes, I believe IT’s good to take a break. The mind additionally goes into shock. I ⁓ truly had a automotive accident just a few days after my position was made redundant as a result of I used to be so distracted. I simply wasn’t paying consideration.

Leanne Brannigan (13:47)
Yeah.

Renata Bernarde (13:49)
to my environment, I simply was actually in a bizarre way of thinking. ⁓ And as soon as I took that break, I understood what I truly wished to do in my profession. I even have seen ⁓ superb, superb professionals that I knew had been completely wonderful at what they did, strolling to conversations with recruiters instantly after shedding a job and being fairly

Leanne Brannigan (14:02)
Yeah.

Renata Bernarde (14:18)
flustered and bizarre and never prepared for that dialog to happen but. And I’m like, no, this could’t occur once more. I must be sure that there’s sufficient of a spot between the trauma of the job loss and also you having a dialog the place it’s worthwhile to be the highest candidate for a task. There must be a spot and a few preparation in between. So I don’t know, that’s my kind of ordinary generic recommendation.

Leanne Brannigan (14:37)
Thanks.

Yeah, I do fully agree with you. You’ll be able to’t underestimate that emotional affect. IT was virtually like life paused fully for me for just a few days. IT had been turned the other way up. IT was troublesome to think about what on a regular basis life would turn into. And I discovered myself, I might take the youngsters to nursery, as I mentioned, and I might come again and sit.

Renata Bernarde (14:51)
Yeah.

Leanne Brannigan (15:14)
at my desk ready for one thing to return in. Since you do should get used to what now seems to be like. And I do know this felt ridiculous, however simply speaking about these feelings and that full mixture of feelings.

that you’re hit with, particularly in these early days. IT sounds ridiculous, however I additionally, I didn’t count on this, however I felt some disgrace and stigma round redundancy nonetheless as we speak in 2025. And that basically began to hold over me. And I believe IT’s vital throughout these early days, these type of days is to start out.

to softly speak about that. I discovered sharing the information actually troublesome with family and friends, however a weight did raise as soon as I did that. And that’s additionally how I type of ease myself into, you realize, gently networking and telling folks in my internal outer circle what had occurred. And there’s by no means actually an excellent time for redundancy. Like for me,

Renata Bernarde (16:01)
Yeah.

Leanne Brannigan (16:24)
IT got here at a time after we’d simply introduced a brand new home with an even bigger mortgage, all of that primarily based on safety of employment. You’ll be able to’t put your life on maintain to make each choice, you realize, what if this occurs? However I’d be mendacity if I didn’t say I additionally, alongside the affect.

Renata Bernarde (16:32)
Yeah. Yeah.

Leanne Brannigan (16:44)
the feelings I used to be feeling, additionally felt ⁓ a bit silly, like I’d made the fallacious dedication on the fallacious time that this had occurred. So that you get, the, you mentioned trauma, I felt loads of grief, positively worry. Would I ever get one other job pretty much as good as this? Plenty of doubt crept in, second guessing my expertise, my expertise, even my profession alternative. Do I do know what I’m doing? Do I do know what I’m speaking about? However

Additionally, and particularly as soon as I began taking motion and having some construction, that hope, encouraging phrases or little progress that you just make out of your community or a constructive dialog or an consequence from a job software or an interview, however IT is a whole curler coaster.

Renata Bernarde (17:36)
Sure, that is superb. I had no concept you had been feeling that manner, Leanne, as a result of I discovered you so assured in your TikTok ⁓ content material. How did you, how was that call to make IT public on the work? What’s IT known as? Work life, work, I neglect the profile. Work life profession profile.

Leanne Brannigan (17:58)
What, what, Life Korea?

Yeah, that’s a extremely good query. ⁓ And I really feel like loads of the selections that I’ve made in my profession or in life come from having a bit worry of placing your self on the market or making this sort of brave, completely different choice.

So IT did really feel scary and IT was a chance and I used to be actually terrified once I noticed the primary couple of feedback coming in as a result of you might have that judgment on an open discussion board globally. However as quickly as truly I began to understand that so many individuals had been via this themselves and felt very related, I discovered loads of consolation.

in posting, however dipping my toe and making that call was actually troublesome. And I felt like I’d already set the channel up.

and I wished to be true to myself. So how may I hold posting about, you realize, speaking to your chief about versatile work choices once I’m sat unemployed, on the lookout for a task myself. And that’s once I recognized I may actually actually assist folks via this expertise and so they can stay the ups and the downs alongside me in type of actual time. And thanks.

Renata Bernarde (19:34)
Yeah.

I liked IT. I liked what you probably did.

I used to be so impressed by you and also you got here throughout with loads of confidence and I bear in mind you being actually upfront and sincere about what had occurred and what was taking place all through your job search. Did you develop a technique for the content material that you just created or was IT very natural? Simply no matter you had been feeling, had been kind of recording.

Leanne Brannigan (20:04)
IT was fully

natural as a result of you may’t put together your self the way you’re at all times going to really feel or act on that day. So while I had that type of framework in place that will set me up each day, truly you do have these waves of all of those completely different feelings that may be deeply affected by the actions of others throughout your search. So I by no means actually knew or may put together myself for this journey. So I simply

shared ⁓ a few of these moments, you realize, extra extensively on my web page, others, and possibly that’s one thing for me to replicate on, you realize, extra of the down and the tougher occasions and the sensation of rejection and the way this redundancy can really feel so private. I didn’t at all times share as a result of my function is

to construct useful assets. So on the extra constructive facet of the search.

Renata Bernarde (21:06)
Yeah.

However I bear in mind there was one occasion the place ⁓ you went for a few interviews and then you definately acquired the Expensive John letter, as I name IT, you realize, like a rejection letter after bodily being in entrance of individuals. And also you had been very, you realize, I believe you had been very skilled about IT, however you made your level that this isn’t the best way to deal with candidates that…

Leanne Brannigan (21:20)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Renata Bernarde (21:36)
have invested time and vitality in getting ready for these interviews that you just as a candidate deserved higher and also you deserved a cellphone name no less than to say the the explanation why you weren’t progressing. ⁓ And that’s an expertise that I believe lots of people listening to this podcast will relate as nicely. have purchasers which have gone via this and a few of them have given suggestions such as you, I imagine you gave suggestions as nicely.

That’s such a horrible advertising and marketing mistake as a result of I do know superb manufacturers that my purchasers have utilized and interviewed for which have made probably the most horrible errors by way of profession advertising and marketing by not treating the candidates nicely via the recruitment and choice course of.

I actually valued the content material that you just created as a result of IT then normalizes the expertise that lots of people undergo alone. They usually normally don’t cross test with others to see if that is taking place to them as nicely.

Leanne Brannigan (22:37)
Mmm.

Yeah, I believe that’s what stunned me most being a candidate and IT’s deeply disappointing being, you realize, a recruiter myself. The silence after purposes was the very first thing that basically shocked me. I’ve a job tracker. ⁓ I seemed via IT solely yesterday to verify I bought this proper.

Renata Bernarde (22:50)
Hmm.

Leanne Brannigan (23:13)
I by no means heard again from 20 % of purposes I made. So they only went into an ATS black gap. And as a recruiter, possibly IT hit even tougher as a result of I truly understand how straightforward IT is to ship a easy template rejection from an software, which is one thing that I might count on. And I perceive definitely at the moment with the quantity of purposes to get a thanks, however IT’s not, you realize, you’re not fairly proper.

And also you hear so much about any such habits within the job market, however I believe IT will get even worse when IT’s past the applying stage since you begin investing much more of your time, vitality and hope into interviews. So being ghosted or having to maintain chasing for suggestions, is deeply private. And I had this horrible expertise. IT was three rounds of interviews. So was 4 hours in whole.

However behind the scenes, hours extra in my preparation. IT was one of many interviews was in individual, in order that included a two hour spherical journey and journey. After which after the ultimate interview, there was silence. I chased up a few occasions and some days later I bought only a generic rejection e mail. A kind of e mail I might count on from an software, not.

in any case of these rounds of interviews. In order I shared on my TikTok, I gave constructive suggestions concerning the expertise and so they responded with one other template e mail saying IT was their firm coverage to not give suggestions.

What I didn’t share on my TikTok and what made issues even worse is that I do know the managing director of that firm. I’ve labored with him beforehand. He was my essential stakeholder for 3 years. Somebody I believed I knew and that I revered. I met him as a part of the method.

So shortly after I bought that second generic rejection e mail, I contacted him, I reached out to clarify, after all I understood and revered the choice, however I simply wished to flag that candidate expertise and the significance of that. And the end result was silence. I by no means heard again from him. He’s fully ignored that too. And that is taking place.

Renata Bernarde (25:21)
Wow.

Leanne Brannigan (25:50)
extensively. And I believe IT hits, IT hits tougher since you’ve been made redundant. For me, I knew the corporate, knew the MD had invested that point, that belief and that whole absence of acknowledgement.

is extremely irritating, however IT hurts. And I’m not alone. So via Worklife Profession Channel, I’ve heard lots of of tales. I get so many feedback about ghosting, this countless ATS black gap, the obscure rejections. I did have a bit look into IT and Greenhouse did a survey final 12 months and so they discovered 61 % of job seekers have been ghosted by a enterprise.

there’s a actual sense that candidate expertise is at a low level proper now. And I’ll be sincere, I’ve been in two minds about how a lot to share publicly as a result of, and I really feel like that is what loads of job seekers would really feel like this, you don’t wish to come throughout as bitter.

Renata Bernarde (26:44)
Mm.

Mmm.

Leanne Brannigan (27:01)
However that’s not the purpose. What I actually wish to attempt to do is encourage candidates to speak brazenly about their experiences, know, ideally on LinkedIn and even, you realize, Glassdoor, as a result of IT serves two functions. IT helps job seekers understand they’re not alone. And IT shines a light-weight for employers to see the affect of their processes.

Renata Bernarde (27:30)
Sure.

Leanne Brannigan (27:31)
And I believe solely with this transparency can we truly drive change. As I mentioned, I’m nonetheless in two minds about what I’m gonna do with my expertise. you realize, there’s an inventory of organizations, manufacturers that’s a pair, you realize, I take advantage of each day. ⁓ But when we, yeah, I worry if we don’t speak or hold speaking about IT, then we’re by no means gonna see any actual change.

Renata Bernarde (27:36)
Mm.

do.

Leanne, IT’s completely doable to alter IT. I used to be ⁓ having this dialogue in one other episode, which is the one earlier than you. ⁓ As we document our episode, this episode I’m going to speak about is out now. The identify of the visitor is Nick Waterworth, and he has a recruitment, international area of interest recruitment firm known as Ambition. They’ve a crew in London. ⁓

Leanne Brannigan (28:01)
Hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Renata Bernarde (28:27)
two groups in Australia, Melbourne and Sydney, a crew in Hong Kong, a crew in New York. And he mentioned, IT’s inexcusable. There isn’t a motive why we will’t give suggestions and ⁓ have an excellent communication technique with candidates. And from a recruiter’s perspective, like Ambition, IT’s truly a nasty enterprise as a result of these candidates

Leanne Brannigan (28:34)
Mm-hmm.

Renata Bernarde (28:56)
can probably be purchasers. And if not purchasers, they’ll say, you realize, what they went via to their worker after which the staff say, okay, let’s not work with this recruitment firm, let’s work with this different recruitment firm. And, you realize, the phrase of mouth is so highly effective. You realize, IT’s a mistake that I believe must be mounted. So particularly anyone such as you who…

Leanne Brannigan (29:11)
Okay.

Renata Bernarde (29:23)
who works in expertise acquisition and human assets. I don’t know the place you’re going subsequent, however I’m assuming IT’s nonetheless in kind of that kind of space. Then there’s a lot hope for us, you realize, ⁓ together with your voice. However you talked about one thing and I wish to faucet into that, Lianne, since you had been very open and day by day, you realize, updates on TikTok, however I didn’t see you on LinkedIn throughout that point.

Leanne Brannigan (29:29)
.

Renata Bernarde (29:51)
Inform me why you determined to not submit on LinkedIn.

Leanne Brannigan (29:54)
I’ve by no means actually posted on LinkedIn.

Renata Bernarde (30:00)
Proper.

I observed. ⁓

Leanne Brannigan (30:05)
I felt truthfully on TikTok extra protected as a result of I have already got this cohort of followers that present me with assist and encouragement and have skilled what I’m going via. And on my LinkedIn,

I didn’t wish to present that vulnerability. I believe IT’s fairly a disingenuous place.

I discover possibly with my crowd of connections, IT’s all about excessive efficiency and positivity, how nicely individuals are doing, they’re rising their very own companies or having a number of promotions or touring the world. And I didn’t wish to be that individual that is available in and units the tone of actuality of what I’m going via.

Renata Bernarde (31:17)
Mm-hmm.

Leanne Brannigan (31:17)
I didn’t need folks to really feel sorry for me or as a result of I haven’t posted earlier than, really feel like I could also be determined as a result of I’ve began posting on LinkedIn. That’s fully sincere. That’s the rationale, like these are the the explanation why plenty of them, as a result of there have been so many occasions the place I believed that I might, I truly did do a submit.

Renata Bernarde (31:33)
Yep.

Leanne Brannigan (31:45)
inside these first few days of being redundant to let folks know that that had occurred to me. And I deleted IT after just a few days as a result of that panic set in of wanting determined on LinkedIn. suppose if I had contributed extra often with my posts, then IT would have felt extra pure. However as a result of I hadn’t utilized that channel for that function, IT didn’t really feel like the suitable factor, the suitable time to try this.

Renata Bernarde (32:05)
Mm-hmm.

Lianna, I 100 % perceive what you probably did. And I believe that there’s a tone you can have on TikTok, which is extra open and frank and sincere and brutal. and IT’s extra ⁓ forgiving as nicely. You’ll be able to say issues and be a bit controversial on TikTok and that’s high-quality. ⁓ However on LinkedIn, there’s a manner so that you can advocate that

That might be actually vital if you wish to do this sooner or later. I might like to see you engaged on LinkedIn. What I’m going to do after we end is ship you a few expertise acquisition professionals and recruiters that do actually nice work advocating for higher recruitment practices who’re posting on LinkedIn. They usually have been interviewed on this podcast. So I’m going to hyperlink beneath if folks wish to hearken to them. One is Russell Ailes. So he’s…

Leanne Brannigan (33:06)
Uh-huh.

Renata Bernarde (33:16)
British, however he’s primarily based in Australia now and he’s purported to be nice. One other one is Lou Adler. I don’t know should you’ve heard of him, however Lou has like 1,000,000 followers on LinkedIn and he trains recruiters to do a greater job when recruiting. So he trains recruiters to be higher. And actually, he has some LinkedIn programs. So should you’re a recruiter listening, you may go to LinkedIn’s training platform and do Lou Adler’s.

⁓ programs on find out how to recruit and choose folks in a extra humane manner, in a greater manner. So figuring out a story and a tone for LinkedIn is type of a unique factor to do, however I might like to see you there. And for the job seekers listening, ⁓ I do suggest posting a farewell submit.

And I understand how arduous IT is, I do, I do understand how arduous IT is to try this as a result of generally you’re tremendous upset together with your worker and also you don’t wish to do a farewell submit since you’re simply too indignant. And generally, you realize, what you simply mentioned, ⁓ I believe will resonate with lots of people. However when you have connections on LinkedIn and so they look after you, and I do know lots of them do,

they may come and assist you. You by no means know who precisely goes to assist you and who isn’t. IT’s type of a giant shock. However I’ve seen nice outcomes from my purchasers, together with purchasers that I’ve within the UK. I might say even particularly the purchasers that I’ve within the UK after they do the farewell submit, how recruiters come to them and discover them. IT’s a really fascinating.

state of affairs and LinkedIn highlights that submit so IT exhibits to extra folks.

In order that’s why you might have so many likes and feedback. If you begin a brand new job in your work expertise, you realize, that work field of LinkedIn. ⁓ And while you open a brand new work expertise and LinkedIn asks you, do you wish to share that? Or while you shut one and LinkedIn asks you, do you wish to share that? LinkedIn’s algorithm will decide up that submit and can present IT to all people.

Leanne Brannigan (35:18)
Hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Renata Bernarde (35:39)
Proper? So IT’s not like a traditional submit.

IT’s a particular submit. IT’s a highlighted submit on LinkedIn. will get extra views. So it’s worthwhile to do IT nicely. You’ll be able to’t do IT kind of haphazardly or a kind of job. You could actually take into consideration what you wish to say, who you wish to tag. And as a coach, I work very strategically with purchasers to arrange for these two posts to exit.

however IT works a deal with, IT helps them get Jobs.

Leanne Brannigan (36:13)
Yeah, I believe I’m utilizing the chance of beginning my new position and making that announcement as a begin, you realize, a dedication to start out posting on LinkedIn.

Renata Bernarde (36:28)
Superior.

okay. Superior. Okay. So now I might love to listen to when you determined that you just wish to, imply, on TikTok, I used to be following you want each day. What’s she doing as we speak? And IT gave the impression to be such as you had a system for, for working and job looking. Are you able to break down the way you systematize your software? The way you had been monitoring them? You talked about that you just had like a spreadsheet.

Leanne Brannigan (36:46)
Thank

Renata Bernarde (36:59)
Inform us how you probably did IT and what number of purposes had been you sending like per week, for instance.

Leanne Brannigan (37:04)
Yeah, positive. So I believe IT’s tremendous vital to have an software technique. With out one, IT’s straightforward to slide into bulk making use of, particularly after redundancy. The silence of not listening to again.

can push you into making use of for something can ever suppose, simply hoping that one thing will stick. And I did have, even with this construction, I had these occasions of panic. Naturally, I then misplaced some focus as a result of I used to be desperately on the lookout for some momentum. However how I set out,

was three tiers of purposes. So I had my high tier, which had been my dream roles, roles that I related with organizations that I’d possibly adopted. And I put severe effort into these purposes and I might tailor the whole lot. I might in all probability spend near an hour on one software for a tier one dream position.

The second had been the type of okay, look respectable roles. ⁓ I don’t suppose you may choose an entire job from an advert, however possibly should you haven’t heard of the group or they don’t actually have a footprint, you may’t make your due diligence. I made an effort, however I used a CV appropriate for that position, not essentially tailoring the whole lot. After which…

The third had been the follow roles. Positions I knew I may in all probability, hopefully, simply land interviews for, even when I knew from the outset these weren’t proper for me. The rationale I did that was as a result of interview follow is so vital and I don’t suppose there’s something like the actual factor.

Had an interview for 3 and a half years and I wished a chance to heat up prepared for once I was known as up for my tier one, my dream roles.

And really generally, and there have been a few them, these not fairly proper roles or unsure truly shock you when you get on a name. And really likewise, proper, with the dream roles and also you you adopted this group for years or your whole profession and so they disappoint you, you realize, with the method or what you be taught.

I used ⁓ fairly a easy tracker to remain on high of all of my purposes. I used IT additionally to comply with up, which there was loads of following up with purposes. Virtually the entire purposes I made,

Renata Bernarde (40:09)
Mm-hmm.

Leanne Brannigan (40:14)
IT was no less than every week, if not three weeks earlier than I might hear again from them if I did get a response. And I might comply with up by figuring out the recruiter or a TA supervisor on LinkedIn or the place there was a generic careers e mail tackle. And from the followups,

I didn’t actually hear again from these. So once more, type of one other signal possibly that that software, that position wasn’t going to be fairly proper.

Renata Bernarde (40:58)
Mm-hmm.

Leanne Brannigan (40:59)
And tailoring the CV, simply to loop again to that, I used AI. I might join the job description to my type of grasp CV, and I might ask IT to recommend some edits. I might by no means…

Renata Bernarde (41:22)
Mm-hmm.

Leanne Brannigan (41:25)
do that myself or suggest to anybody to make up or embellish your CV. And what I additionally realized from doing this and simply, you realize, that is simply type of the flag of not closely counting on AI. IT would generally match phrase for phrase, the job description. So that you’ve bought to be extremely cautious with doing this.

Renata Bernarde (41:51)
Sure.

Leanne Brannigan (41:51)
⁓

and buzzwords, you realize, a language that I simply naturally wouldn’t use or that was, you realize, area particular for the UK. However AI is an extremely, you realize, useful device and I wouldn’t have been in a position to make that effort in a single hour with out IT.

Renata Bernarde (42:01)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, now you’re proper. And ⁓ sure, I’ve spoken a lot a few Cheti Biti right here. I’m simply going to refer beneath some hyperlinks to earlier episodes and ⁓ give some tips about how to try this via these episodes. yeah, I believe should you… ⁓

For these listening, you hearken to a few of my podcasts, you understand how harmful IT is to rely an excessive amount of on AI to do your resume as a result of what recruiters have advised us in these conversations on the pod is that then all of the resumes look precisely the identical.

Leanne Brannigan (42:55)
Mm-hmm.

Renata Bernarde (42:56)
So all people’s utilizing the identical AI device. Normally IT’s chat to BT or Claude or perplexity. After which they find yourself with very related resumes and so they all look precisely the identical and all people’s tremendous vanilla. What labored in these recruitment processes? So we all know that loads of IT was ghosting and listening to again and all of that. However what stunned you positively?

in these processes that you just went via.

Leanne Brannigan (43:30)
Hmm. Curiously, a few my greatest experiences truly got here via recruitment companies. And I believe IT’s value saying that as a result of company recruiters typically get a nasty rap. In my case, they had been wonderful at selecting up the cellphone.

for that direct on the spot communication that I didn’t actually really feel once I was coping with inside expertise acquisition groups. And that immediacy and definitely by cellphone is one thing that’s changing into actually misplaced within the hiring course of.

However others, preferred the best way that some hiring managers or TA groups used WhatsApp or textual content as a tailor-made communication channel. And that basically suited me. And I felt extra of a real connection slightly than over e mail. They’ll come throughout templated or formal. You see that so typically. However in the end, the perfect experiences I had,

had been constant and that at all times got here right down to good communication. On the very begin of the method, that very first contact, a transparent course of laid out, timelines confirmed, organized follow-up and above all else honesty and transparency.

and IT simply makes the entire course of really feel extra human. And IT’s so highly effective to go away a candidate with a constructive expertise. I’ll always remember these corporations and people manufacturers. And likewise, these ones the place sadly IT’s been a adverse expertise. I don’t suppose IT leaves you when IT’s such an vital time. So I…

I prefer to suppose, though there have been these moments of, you realize, ghosting or having templated rejection emails, there are loads of nice recruiters and TA groups on the market. And whatever the instruments and the, you realize, evolvement of AI, they’re preserving IT.

human and one factor that I’ll take away is selecting up the cellphone and I used to be additionally responsible IT’s very very straightforward to speak via your ATS or your CRM and even e mail however the connection that you just get from a cellphone name I believe

modifications the whole lot. And IT was actually vital as a result of in the long run, for me, IT got here right down to a few gives that I needed to resolve between. And when IT’s so shut by way of the scope of the position and the expectations and the bundle, you do have a look at issues like the way you’ve been handled and communicated to, who you’ve bought to fulfill all through that interview course of.

Renata Bernarde (46:18)
Yeah.

Sure, sure. that’s so true. ⁓ I’ve a bit product that I promote on my useful resource that I promote on my web site known as 31 days of motion. And the primary motion is be sure to have a pleasant voicemail arrange in your cellphone as a result of recruiters hate going to that voice to textual content message or not having any skill to go away you a message.

Leanne Brannigan (47:09)
Okay.

Renata Bernarde (47:13)
⁓ And for some generations, youthful folks, that’s like, however do I’ve to speak on the cellphone? And I’m like, sure, you do. Recruiters nonetheless use the cellphone and even on LinkedIn, should you can have your cellphone seen publicly throughout the time you’re on the lookout for work, I like to recommend that as nicely as a result of they love selecting up the cellphone and calling you in the event that they’re good, in the event that they wish to attain out to you. ⁓ So sure, I’m…

So glad that you just talked about the cellphone. You had, in the long run you had two gives and the tip, imply, once I say the tip, you had been job looking for six weeks, is that proper? Yeah, that’s not a very long time. So you probably did actually, very well. ⁓ And then you definately had a few gives. What, inform me concerning the course of of constructing a choice. IT?

Leanne Brannigan (47:54)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. I do know. ⁓

Renata Bernarde (48:09)
sliding doorways second, was IT arduous to decide or was there a transparent winner for you?

Leanne Brannigan (48:12)
and

Mm.

Now I look again, there was a transparent winner, however on the time, I believe IT’s actually troublesome as a result of IT is sort of overwhelming, you realize, the method in its entirety. And also you undergo this lengthy course of, know, hours of funding and dedication with the goal of this constructive consequence. However when IT occurs, IT’s then a pinch me second.

is that this actual? I type of anchored my choice again to these early days once I had evaluated what was actually vital to me. And I stayed true to that. And though IT was troublesome on the time, having mirrored now,

totally on that course of and the people who I had met. was, I believe IT’s fairly, sorry, I’m shedding my path of thought right here. I believe IT’s clear now that I’ve taken a step again, however on the time, IT’s actually about being true to your self and what you’re on the lookout for.

And for me, IT even got here right down to doing the professionals and the cons record. After which as soon as I went via that strategy of due diligence of contract and verbally accepting, IT type of concreted to me that I’d made the suitable choice.

Renata Bernarde (50:00)
Yeah. Good. Sure. Some folks really feel very torn after they have two gives and I’m very proud that lots of my purchasers get into that troublesome state of affairs, however IT’s an excellent downside to have, isn’t IT? ⁓ And I really feel that IT’s not a lot, I imply, IT’s as a result of they labored with me, however IT’s…

Leanne Brannigan (50:16)
Hmm.

Renata Bernarde (50:25)
almost certainly due to the crescendo, you so that you kind of work your self up to some extent the place you might have so many eggs in several baskets that finally, you realize, you realize, two gives will come up, particularly should you use that point to enhance your techniques alongside the best way. And that’s one thing that folks don’t understand is that what you mentioned earlier than about utilizing some purposes as ⁓ a chance so that you can follow your interviewing, you realize, is

IT’s all about steady enhancements of purposes and the way you handle your day and the way you speak to recruiters and the way you present up that lead as much as then you definately having one and even two gives on the finish of the method. So, all proper, in order that was ⁓ so I’m so comfortable to have interviewed you, you realize, and I believe IT’s such a

a chance for the listeners to narrate and hopefully discover you on TikTok. I do know lots of people that I speak to don’t even have TikTok but. You realize, in the event that they’re actually actually company folks, they’re not there but, however please go and enroll as a result of there’s nice content material. And for many who complain so much about LinkedIn, not being real, LinkedIn just isn’t the house to do the work that you just’re doing on TikTok. LinkedIn is a unique…

setting and, you realize, exhibiting up professionally. IT’s like a Rolodex. You need to have your profile there and you must share your thought management in a manner that’s simply digested for that community. TikTok is the place you discover your friends and your colleagues and your group, such as you mentioned. So I believe you’re doing a superb job. What’s the kindest factor that…

somebody did for you throughout this time that you just had been job looking out.

Leanne Brannigan (52:28)
I your community can shock you and people who I didn’t suppose had been that invested in my journey or my wellbeing actually confirmed up. And even when that was only a check-in textual content to see how I used to be going or IT was a lead.

or a proposal to assist in any manner, simply actually, you realize, made IT heat and human and real. After which from strangers, full strangers from posting on TikTok to get their phrases of knowledge, many who’ve been via this earlier than, generally many occasions, that

constructive spirit and encouragement actually saved me going. And even now, once I get a personal message via on my TikTok, somebody that’s expressed a due to me, I’m nonetheless actually taken again with their kindness that they’ve taken time to spend a few minutes to message me, to thank me and issues like that give me this like…

deeply rooted satisfaction to then hold sharing my story and what I’ve realized with compassion and honesty. And my subsequent step and my dedication, particularly after this dialog, is to possibly take that, adapt that onto…

One other platform like LinkedIn that’s extra, you realize, extensively used for professionals and possibly, you realize, will make an affect extra rapidly in sure areas, like, you realize, preserving the candidate expertise dialog rolling.

Renata Bernarde (54:17)
Mm-hmm.

Superior. I can’t wait to see you do this. I believe IT’s going to be superior. Do you wish to say, like, let’s, to complete off this nice dialog, Lee-Ann, are you able to inform us a bit bit concerning the job that you’ve accepted? And, you realize, I don’t understand how a lot you may share, however something you can share with us about what you’re going to be doing subsequent?

Leanne Brannigan (54:56)
So I’m transferring into one other expertise acquisition position. IT’s for a UK firm. That might be a primary for me. I’ve at all times labored in international roles. They’re the biggest software program firm within the UK and they’re exploring find out how to be

an absolute recreation changer in expertise acquisition. So we wish to flip this on its head. Even issues like, you realize, ought to a candidate be telling us who they wanna meet via the method? You realize, directing what that appears like for them.

Renata Bernarde (55:44)
I really like that.

Leanne Brannigan (55:45)
And we have to work out

Renata Bernarde (55:45)
That’s cool.

Leanne Brannigan (55:46)
after all how all of this works. And IT was one of many first and solely organizations that made that dedication to staying human. After all we’re going to be utilizing AI for efficiencies, however there would by no means be a state of affairs the place a bot is screening out CVs. And that was actually vital to me, particularly due to all of this work that I do with Work Life Profession. I really want to maintain.

Renata Bernarde (55:49)
Thank

Leanne Brannigan (56:14)
that human aspect, however how will we do this with this conundrum of unprecedented volumes of purposes? So I’ve had the chance to fulfill with all the crew. I’ve already frolicked within the workplace and had a few coffees. So I’m getting warmed up, prepared to start out subsequent week. So that you’ll see IT on my LinkedIn.

Renata Bernarde (56:40)
Glorious. ⁓

I can’t wait to say congratulations while you submit IT on LinkedIn. Leanne, thanks a lot for being a visitor on the podcast. IT’s been superb speaking to you. I do know lots of people will adore this episode and I’ll ship you the suggestions that I typically get as a result of I do know this episode goes to be particular. So thanks a lot for the work that you just’re doing together with your group and congratulations in your new job.

Leanne Brannigan (56:45)
Thanks.

Thanks a lot for having me. IT’s been an absolute pleasure. And likewise, the entire work that you just do, I believe IT’s vital to have a platform for candidates to really feel like they’re a part of this group and all of this information sharing that may assist, particularly in such a troublesome job market. So thanks for the entire work you do. Thanks for inviting me.

Renata Bernarde (57:36)
Thanks.